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why they failed to find him sooner. you're going to hear from the man who came face to face with the business-like dorner as he describes what might have been a fatal encounter on a lonely road just moments before gunshots erupted. later in the program, the empathy that's shocking to many but not to some for the allegations of institutional racism that dorner made bens the lapd. we'll talk to an ex-lapd officer who is horrified by what happened but not surprised. federal, state and local authorities have been briefing reporters on the latest. sheriff john mcman identifying the identity killed, jeremiah mackay, a father of two children, a 7-year-old daughter and 4-month-old son. additional testing will be done to identify the burned body, which is believed to be that of christopher dorner. in addition, he denied any concerted effort to set that fire. take a look. >> i can tell you that it was
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not on purpose. we did not intentionally burn down that cabin to get mr. dorner out. the tear gas canisters that we used, first off, we used a presence when we showed up. secondly, we used a cold tear gas. then we used the next tear gas was that that was pyrotechnic. it does generate a lot of heat. we introduced those canisters into the residence and a fire erupted. >> he was also asked but would not answer if dorner had been planning addition aal attacks i the area. gary tuchman has more. >> reporter: 12:22 p.m. on tuesday. that's when a 911 call came in when the first real sighting of fugitive christopher dorner in days. two people who were hired to clean houses in the big bear area run into a man who looks like dorner. he ties them up and then takes off in their purple nissan.
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one of the cleaners is able to escape. that's when she calls police. it turns out they were tied up in a house right across the street from the san bernardino sheriff's command center. 12:45 p.m., fish and wildlife officials spot a purple car driving on california 38. >> the suspect realized he had been identified. >> reporter: dorner tries to evade them, at one point crashing and taking to the woods on foot. with the officers still in pursuit, he stops a truck driven by a resident. dorner pulls a gun on him but allows him to leave unharmed with his dog. dorner is now behind the door of a silver pickup truck and gets back on the highway and passes by a fish and wildlife official and once again is recognized. the officer radios colleagues on the road behind him and warn them dorner is heading straight for them. when dorner spots the vehicle,
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he rolls down his window and opens fire. >> the warden in front noticed a white truck coming down, driving erratically at a high rate of speed. when the second patrol truck came up, he engaged in the shooting with our wardens as they were driving. he did hit the truck multiple times. >> reporter: dorner heads up glass road, abandons the truck and takes refuge in a cabin. deputies arrive. an intense firefight breaks out. a reporter for local station kcbs is also on the scene. >> we're standing here, we don't want to get caught in the cross fire ourselves. >> you, come here. >> me? >> come here. [ gunfire ]
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[ gunfire continues ] >> hey! get the [ bleep ] out of here now. >> reporter: this video shot by kcbs. [ gun fire ] >> reporter: two deputies are shot. >> returning fire. >> we have an officer down, officer down. >> they have an officer down. >> medic ship is in the air. >> reporter: one officer later dies at the hospital. dorner has now claimed four lives in his rampage. in an effort to get dorner out, police fire tear gas into the cabin and then begin to rip the walls down one by one. then -- >> we're going to go forward the plan, with the, with the burn. >> copy.
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>> reporter: flames and smoke begin to rise from the cabin. >> we have fire in the front. he might come out the back. >> reporter: still unclear how the fire started and spread. soon afterwards -- >> sounds like one shot fired from inside the residence. >> reporter: what we don't know, whether dorner shot himself or died in the flames. the fire burns for hours. authorities thinking dorner still inside. late tuesday, they say a charred body has been found. the police have not positivity confirmed this is the body of christopher dorner. >> there is a lot of apprehension today in any kind of celebration because this is not a celebration. this has been a very trying time over the last couple of weeks nor all of those involved and all those families, friends and everybody that's been touched by this dorner incident. >> reporter: the first officer shot by dorner was laid to rest today. the manhunt is over.
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there will be an investigation into how and why this man was able to elude police for nine days is just beginning. gary tuchman, cnn. >> now to the man who lost his truck to christopher dorner but is alive to tell the story. i spoke with him a short time ago. take me through what happened. you were coming up a side road on the highway and you saw law enforcement in the area. what happened? >> i saw something moving in the trees and i could see it was somebody with a gun. there's been a lot of people around here with guns searching buildings and like that, so i'm used to seeing them. but it was an odd area for that. then i realized it was christopher dorner and i saw a streak crashed in the snow behind him, and he came up to the window of my truck, my driver window with his gun pointed at me and he said, "i don't want to hurt you, just get out and start walking and take your dog." >> how did he look to you? >> he looked calm, kind of more
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like well trained, you know, business-like almost. you know, he didn't have any crazy eyes or anything like that. he was dressed in all military style camouflage. would have had rifle magazines or smoke bombs. >> you said a ballistic vest. like a kevlar vest? >> yeah, a thick vest. the kind i've seen on the pictures i've seen. military style. he was calm. i was calm. it was clear that he didn't consider me one of his targets. he just needed my vehicle and he said get out and start walking and take your dog and that's what i did. i asked if i could get her leash, he said no, just start walking. >> so i started walking up the road, and i got about maybe 20 seconds up the road, maybe 10 seconds, something like that, not very far and i heard a burst of gunfire where hi truck was.
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so apparently he turned my truck around and was heading down the direction from which i had just come, and he came head on into a sheriff's unit and there was a firefight there. when i heard the gunfire, i bailed out into the snow, which was on the side of the road, and ran into the snow a little ways until i got to a big tree, got some cover, and i took out my cell phone and i called my friend, the sheriff deputy who i had just seen recently, he's a local deputy that lives in the area and patrols the area. i called him directly. he said rick, what do you got? i said paul, he just took my truck. excuse me. paul, he just took my truck. so paul confirmed my truck description, and he said okay. and i hung up and i kept running out towards the highway, just to keep getting away and i called a
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friend and i said drop what you're doing and come pick me up. which they did in a little while, and we drove down to where the highway patrol had already set up a roadblock and i said stop here, i wanted to sit and relax where i felt safe near the road block and the police officers there. >> let many ask you, how far the location where he took your truck, how far is that from the cabin where he, according to authorities, ended up? >> it's about 3, 3 1/2 miles down that windy road. >> and how far from where the truck ended up is that from the cabin, do you know? >> i'm not really sure. i couldn't really tell where that truck was in the photo i saw in the news. i couldn't get a bearing on it. i don't think it's very far. >> so what we're assuming is he went on foot from the time he got out of your vehicle to that cabin, that's the assumption. >> right. >> i'm just trying to figure out
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the distance. rick, this may be a dumb question, but you have a guy pointing a gun at you, you knew who it was. did you feel in danger or feel that this is a transaction, he's acting rationally? >> well, i felt endangered as far as knowing what his try was, and that i had a gun pointed at my head. however, he said he didn't want to hurt me and i believed him. he wanted me to get out of my truck and walk up the road with my dog, and that's what i did. he needed a vehicle and he took my truck. >> how do you feel now, having had this experience with him and knowing what's happened subsequently, how do you feel? >> i feel, you know, unfortunate. i feel like he might have had some compassion for me and my dog, make sure you take your dog. i liked that. i'm totally a dog guy and that was a big thing for me, you know, and one thing is, i've
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been kind of inundated with e-mails on facebook and people calling me a hero. i just want to be clear that the real heroes are the law enforcement officers that are out there doing this job every day. we just had a funeral in riverside today from the officer that was killed the other day. now we're going to have another one in san bernardino soon, because mr. dorner determined that i wasn't a target, but he was able to find one of his targets down the road. and now we have one less sheriff's deputy in the county. >> it's an important thing to remember. rick, i appreciate you talking to us. thank you. >> okay, thank you. let us know what you think right now. follow me on twitter. next, more revelations agent how the hunt for dorner unfolded and how it ended. also, what made dorner tick and why some aren't surprised that he exploded. a top local reporter joins us, along with veteran john miller as our special "360" coverage
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35, a father of a 7-year-old daughter and 4-month-old sop. another lawman remains in the hospital tonight. he's expected to fully recover but will need additional surgery. as for the fire that consumed the cabin, the sheriff said it was not deliberately set to drive out dorner. he said more testing will be done to confirm the charred corpse is dorner. but as far as law enforcement is concerned, the manhunt is over. joining me now is one of the reporters who hasn't had much sleep, joel ruben of "the los angeles times." joel, you guys have done remarkable reporting on this story. what are the most significant developments that you've learned today? >> well, i think just hearing the san bernardino sheriff say that while they can't 100% say for sure it is dorner's body that they found, that the manhunt is over, as you mentioned, which is the -- which equates to it was him, as we talked about last night if they
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had any doubt that perhaps it wasn't him, that they would not have stood town this massive manhunt. also, the questions that have erupted over twitter of the fire that erupted at the cabin, and hearing the sheriff say unequivocally they did not intentionally set that fire, whether that extinguishes, sorry the pun, extinguishes the conspiracies out there we'll see. but we have learned that the device that was used was not used to set the fire, but in order to deploy this agent that is meant to drive dorner out of the cabin. >> let me play that piece of audio, because it is -- a lot of folks on twitter are talking about that. it's a conversation from the police department scanner. i just want to play a second of that. >> we don't want to get caught
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in the cross fire ourselves. >> you, come here. >> me? >> come here! [ gunfire ] [ gunfire continues ] >> hey! get the [ bleep ] out of here now! [ gunfire continues ]
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[ this is clearly the wrong tape. on the audio, can you explain, joel, what people say they have heard and what you think it means? >> sure. i've reviewed the audio that's circulating around myself. while not verbatim, there's talk amongst the -- it comes at the time the officers who were involved in dismantling the cabin wall by wall, they were using a demolition vehicle, which they could sort of take the walls down one by one so they knew what they were dealing with inside.
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in the process of doing that, there's a lot of radio chatter between the officers, and at one point, there's talk of deploying the burners, which has led a lot of people to conclude that it was an intentional ignition of fire. shortly after the talk of the burners, there is a report by one of the officers of a fire-breaking out and then quickly engulfing the cabin. today at the press conference, the sheriff was asked about that term "burners" and what they were. he said that is a colloquial term for a type of tear gas they deployed, which does have a heating agent involved. the heating agent i've been told by members of the lapd s.w.a.t. who are familiar with it, the heating agent is not used to set a fire, but to deploy the tear gas in a more potent way, but it
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can cause fires. that seems to be what happened. >> the other thing that's raised a lot of questions, there seemed to be discrepancies between what the lapd and sheriff's department were saying. have the agencies cleared up their stories? does it make sense to you now? do you know what was going on last night? >> no, i'm not sure we'll ever get a clear answer. but i think we can speculate that it was just a very chaotic situation, and i think there was a lot of -- obviously a lot of frayed nerves and whenever you get several agencies involved covering a huge territory and especially covering a story that everybody, the world is paying attention to, you're going to get a lot of attention between the agencies i think, and this is just me speculating, that the lapd didn't want to get out ahead of the san bernardino sheriff's department. it was their operation, and perhaps the san bernardino was putting pressure on lapd to back
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off and then these reports came out and some of them attributed the lapd -- to the lapd saying that a body had been found. i think there was probably just a lot of frayed nerves going on and everybody just wanted to back off. so the lapd took this somewhat confusing stance which they denied any reports a body had been found. at the time, that may have been true. we had sources telling us that a body had been found. it may have been that they were reporting their conclusion that the body was inside because of their confidence that they had seen dorner inside. we're still trying to figure it all out. >> joel ruben, appreciate you taking the time to talk to me. joining me now is john mccain who worked for the lapd. he's a senior correspondent at cbs this morning. what have you learned in the last 24 hours or so that you find most interesting? >> a number of things. number one, the fact that you
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say how do you gauge their confidence level that that's dorner inside? i think last night, the lapd commander said we're not going to remove any of the protective details on the people on this hit list until we're absolutely sure that's him in there -- >> more than 50 plus people we believe. >> so that's 58 members under guard. that's more than 400 officers. these are the gangs divisions, the narcotics divisions from all of the areas of the lapd had been mobilized to a plain clothes surveillance portion, as well as a high profile uniform portion. frankly, this is something we haven't gotten into while it was going on, but i think we can say it now, but the threat is so high and some of the locations were so difficult to protect that entire families, husbands, wives and children were moved into police stations. >> they were living in the police stations? >> that's right. and the police station
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themselves have what they call station defense posture, which is the kind of posture they would put out during disorder or a riot where the station is defended by an armed group on the perimeter. so this was fairly unlike anything we have seen before. you saw kind of a great exhaling today in los angeles. >> and is it clearer to you how long -- i mean, what i still don't understand is -- and we may not know this, how long dorner was in that other cabin where he allegedly took two people hostage? was that the only cabin he had been staying in? and why wasn't he found if there were door-to-door searches? >> okay. so that is not even clear to them yet. they're going to be looking forensically and evidence wise to see what's in there, what are
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things in there that are date stamped where they can get a time for how long he was in there. it could have been he was in there the whole time. it could have been that he was in there a number of hours before. the idea that it looked out on to the ranger station which for a time served as the command post and he would have had a view of operations harkens to something he said in his manifesto, which was that incident command posts will be a target rich environment. here he is holed up in an apartment that almost has a view directly on the command post on the other side of the road with a automatic sniper rifle with.50 caliber sniper bullets. so was that the first place he could find to get into? or two, did he choose it because it would give him an observation post and potentially a target. >> are you aware how far the
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broken down truck was from that location? >> i was told it's not that far away. this might have been the first place he encountered. about the search, because you asked about that, they would check houses and if there was any forced entry, they would go in and check that house to determine did that have anything to do with him, was he still there? if there were houses unlocked, they would check those. but where there was sign of no forced entry, that was a sign that this was in tact. they didn't make a forced entry to places already locked. so you could consider a scenario where he would have found an unlocked place or found a hidden key, made an entry and locked it behind him. and that's the kind of building, given the amount they had to deal with, 660 cabins and other things that they might not have ever gotten to. >> we found the correct audio referencing lighting up the
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house. >> we're going to go forward with the plan with the burn. >> copy. >> the burner is deployed and we have a fire. >> copy 7. burner is deployed and we have a fire. >> with ready. we have fire in the front. he might come out the back. >> so some people who listened to this said that is evidence they believe that the police were wanting to light the house on fire, maybe to smoke him out or to kill him inside. >> so from a tactical stand point, and when you listen to that audio, you have to have those concerns and those questions, whether that's terminology or whether that's intent. those questions will all be asked. but you've got cold gas and you've got hot gas. they deployed both in these cases. >> tear gas? >> right. the difference between the cold gas and hot gas is that the hot gas burns at a higher
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temperature. it's more intense and it will drive a suspect out sooner and faster. that's the upside of it tactically. the risk factor is it doesn't always catch fire. it does burn the gas out of the -- it's called a tactical pocket grenade. it has a higher risk of fire depending on how it's deployed and what it hits going on, whether it gets tied up in the curtains or rolls across the floor. it has a higher sense of fire than cold gas. >> you know the suspicion of law enforcement in this, that they were angry that a detective was killed on that very day shortly before that. so the conspiracy theory, the suspicion is that in anger they would want to kill him. do you think there is evidence of that, or would they have
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wanted to get him out alive? >> i think if you look at it from -- no one can know the answer to that, unless we get into their minds. if you look at it from purely a tactical sense, they deployed the regular tools that they would in a rare circumstance like this where you had heavily armed man who was known to have already killed a number of people and who by the fact that he was caring on you by a .50 caliber armor fiercing rounds intending to kill more people. so this is where you're going to use the tactical available tools that you have to get him out of there. now, if those devices started to fire, we have to consider there was nothing keeping him in that residence. he could have come out the back door with his hands up. he could have waved a white flag. he determined to stay in there. he apparently determined as it seems from the audio we've heard to probably shoot himself and take his own life. but in these things, there is a
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modicum of control that the perpetrator has, and he exercised that. >> john miller, always good to have you. a lot more to talk about, including christopher dorner's allegations against the lapd. just ahead, the burned out cabin remains an active crime scene. the family that owns the property, today they tried to check out the damage for themselves. we'll be right back. i upgradedw sprint direct connect. so i can get three times the coverage. [ manager 2 ] it's like working in a giant sandbox. with all these huge toys. and with the fastest push-to-talk... i can keep track of them all. [ male announcer ] upgrade to the new "done" with access to the fastest push-to-talk and three times the coverage. now when you buy one kyocera duraxt rugged phone for $69.99, you'll get four free. other offers available. visit a sprint store, or call 855-878-4biz. but they haven't experienced extra strength bayer advanced aspirin. in fact, in a recent survey,
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welcome back. christopher dorner is no shortage of conspiracy theories. a closer look at that ahead on "360."
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hollywood could jt have scripted a more dramatic end game for the manhunt for christopher dorner. snowy mountain backdrop, the fugitive holed up in a cabin, surrounded, outnumbered, the cabin bursting into flames. millions watched it unfold on tv, including the cabin's owner. here's what he told me. kyle, for the pictures that you're seeing, does it seem as if the entire cabin is pretty much on fire? >> yeah, from what i can see, it actually looks like maybe the barn is too, there's a barn about ten feet away from it. i feel bad for the people who
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have lost loved ones and what not. >> an important point, but you can imagine how anxious he is to see what if anything is left of their cabin. randi kaye spent the day with him. >> reporter: less than 12 hours after he watched his family's cabin burn to the ground, kyle martin is determined to see what's left. before making the two-hour drive up here to the big bear mountain area, kyle checked online to see if highway 38 was open. it was at highway 38 and glass road where the shootout took place, between the suspect and the fish and game officers. >> i do know it's closed. i do know it's open to reside residents. i think it's still a homicide scene, so we'll try our luck. >> reporter: when the standoff started, kyle's sister texted him. what did you think when you saw your cabin, your cabin burning
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on live tv? >> it's kind of funny, because when we first heard it, i was in the car and listening to the radio, and then it was kind of surreal. and then when we finally got home, i turned on the tv just to see it burning, yeah, it kind of hit home. memories. after about i would say five minutes, it kind of sunk in and just looking at it, i'm going through my head, the nation is watching our cabin burn. >> reporter: kyle's family has had the cabin since 2004. they rented it out often. it was their family business. for nearly a week, kyle had been watching the manhunt play out on tv. he admits the thought crossed his mind, what if christopher dorner ended up at his cabin? >> i even jokingly around, not ever thinking he would go there, say if anything, that would be a good place for someone to hold up if they wanted to. >> reporter: because you knew it was empty. >> it was empty and secluded and
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rarely do you get visitors. >> reporter: this was not the first time police had been to kyle's cabin. in fact, they had just been there two days before the fire. the scary thing is, at that time, kyle's aunts were staying at the cabin. so if this had gone down then, kyle's family might have been harmed. as we made our way down highway 38, kyle's luck runs out. road closed. >> it's closed. they're not going to let us through. we can turn around up here. >> reporter: you want to give it a shot? >> yeah. i was wondering if residents can get through? >> with proper i.d. where are you going to? >> it's the main house, the cabin. >> what street? >> 7 oaks road. >> you've got to go down glass road? nope, not there.
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>> not even if i'm the owner of the house? >> they're not letting anybody in. >> reporter: the deputy directed kyle to the san bernardino county sheriff's department, who tells him the same thing. his cabin is still an active crime scene and he has to wait. he still didn't go for it? >> no. >> reporter: are you frustrated? >> no. >> reporter: kyle is trying to have a good attitude, but his family has been through a lot. his father died last year, and his grandfather died last week. he feels for those who have lost loved ones during this man hunt. >> cabins can be rebuilt, but the lives that this guy took and injured for that matter, my condolences out to them. >> reporter: randi kaye, cnn, big bear mountain. >> that is certainly true. believe it or not, christopher dorner has what you might even call fans online. there's a fair amount of support and empathy being expressed. what's behind showing support
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just want to recap our breaking news tonight. authorities in san bernardino county identifying the deputy killed in christopher dorner's shootout. her detective jeremiah mackay. another deputy remains in the hospital tonight. he is expected to make a full recovery. meantime, you might be surprised to know there's been a show of support for christopher dorner on social media. as we mentioned, there are conspiracy theories, empathy by some for his manifesto and his grievances against the lapd. in the world of twitter and facebook, it seems anyone can
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get a fan base is dorner is no exception. dan simon reports. >> sheriff mcman has asked that all the helicopters pull back or leave the area of the barricaded suspect. >> reporter: as police ask the helicopters to back off and as the cabin went up in flames, social media lit up, with users crying conspiracies. so u.s. authorities have burned someone to death in a cabin and let it burn through the basement so no body is left. another says, come on, how is dorner's body burned bond recognition? but they found his license he just so happened to be carrying? i think dorner killed someone and left their body in that fire. others blasted the police. >> we're going to go forward with the plan with the burn. >> reporter: blaming them for the cabin fire. lapd was prosecutor, judge, jury
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and executioner yesterday. they burned him alive. apparently burning people alive is considered appropriate behavior for the police. from the very beginning, dorner found plenty of sympathizers. >> i just want to start off by saying i perfectly support 100% what christopher dorner is doing. >> i read this manifesto and i basically believe him. >> reporter: on facebook, more than 18,000 likes for a page titled "we stand with christopher dorner." "this was a necessary evil. god bless you, sir." >> please like anti-heroes and we have a heroes rooting for people like bonnie and clyde and butch cassidy. >> reporter: usc professor karen snort. >> one of the things social media has allowed us to do is
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join conversations and not be as accountable for our opinions. >> reporter: in other words, people may express things online they wouldn't necessarily say to their friends in public. others just like to be provocative. still, this user poses a question many today are asking. >> why is america showing so much support for him? >> reporter: dan simon, cnn, san francisco. >> as dorner's rage at the lapd that led to the path of death and destruction. brian bentley says he understands dorner's frustration. he was on the force for ten years in the '90s and has been outspoken for what he calls ram pant racism. he says he was fired for writing a book, detailing what he said was misconduct, racism that he witnessed with the lapd. brian bentley joins me now. you were on the lapd for ten years in the 1990s when the department was dealing with a number of scandals. you say you understand some of dorner's anger. how so?
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>> of course i understand, because as a police officer, i learned the hard way. there isn't a place to express your opinion if you're a whistleblower. you're automatically become an outcast. you automatically are harassed by supervision. there is nowhere to turn. you can't go to attorneys, because if you're fired you don't have the money. if you don't have the money, you don't have the money to seek counseling to get help. so you feel like there's nowhere to turn. the purpose of my book was because i felt there wasn't an outlet for me to express what i was dealing with. i turned to writing as opposed to doing what he did. some of the things i wrote about, i had never -- i hadn't seen them since i wrote about it until dorner expressed his feelings and his manifesto. >> do you believe the lapd has changed, though? because minority recruitment is up significantly.
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they have made huge efforts of outrage to the community in l.a. do you think there's been significant change? >> i know there has not been change. there has not been a significant change. it's different from when i came up. my training officer looked at me in my eye the first day and told me you're black, you don't belong on this job. my job is not to train you, it's to get you fired because you slipped through the cracks. that opinion is still there. that view of the department still runs -- it runs through that department. and there's lots of proof to that claim. >> there is a process in place. dorner in his so-called manifesto talked about violating the blue call of silence when he reported his partner for unnecessary kicks to a handcuffed suspect. those who believe dorner should have gone through the system say there's a system in place, he went through that system and his charges were proved baseless. so that you say?
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>> well of course there's a system. but that system is designed to silence officers. you have to look at the bigger picture which he didn't see, which i was schooled on as a rookie, is that when you tell on a police officer, you're not only going against your brotherhood, you're fighting the whole city of los angeles. you are -- you are opening the department up for a lawsuit. so you're fighting the city of l.a. and all of its resources. you know, lawsuits are a big issue with the police department, and they pay out more money than any other entity in the city of los angeles. >> the lapd, the chief said he's going to reopen the case that got dorner fired. does that give you some hope? >> well, no. i go by his first statement, and it was that will not happen. and i firm lly believe that he feels that. it's not going to happen. it can't happen. because if he opens that case, i
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personally know 50 officers who want their cases reviewed also, that just opens up a pan dora's box. >> i appreciate you being with us here tonight. what do you make of what brian has said? is there a process in place? does it work? >> first of all, i think we've got to separate a couple of things, brian was in the department in the 1980s and '90s. we talked about the '91 report after the riots that talked about problems in the lapd. that's 20 something years ago. a lot has happened since then. let's baseline this. are there racists in the lapd? sure there are, because there's racists in cnn, cbs. but that's because police departments, like any other
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outfit, they don't recruit from the planet perfect. they recruit from the human race. so you have to build that factor in and have systems to check that and to catch that. now let's talk about progress. you know, when john mack, the president of the urban league in los angeles, became the head of the los angeles police commission, that was a big step forward. connie rice, the top civil rights lawyer in los angeles, has said repeatedly in public and in her book she's seen a sea change in relations within the lapd and within -- between the lapd and the african-american community. you look at los angeles. it's got roughly 11% african-american population. if you look at the command staff of the lapd, 22% of their captains and above are african-american. the three-star chief of operations, my good personal friend, and a suburb cop is earl passinger, an african-american who grew up in south central
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l.a. and a commander there for many years. but if you want to get micro instead of macro, look at this case. there were two captains who were the judges in the board of rights that christopher dorner says was so unfair, and racially prejudiced. one of them he may or may not have been aware is married to an african-american woman with whom he has several children and is a commander in south los angeles where he is beloved and revered in the community. it's not perfect. no place will be. but i any the progress has been marked and for the lapd dramatic. >> thank you very much. a lot more ahead. still ahead, the first hand reports we're hearing from that disabled carnival cruise ship are getting grimmer. can you imagine being with thousands of other people stuck on a vessel with little electricity, running out of food, few bathrooms. we'll tell you when the nightmare may end for more than 4,000 passengers and crew on board. we'll be right back. i'm a conservative investor.
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